Why is Vanilla+ World of Warcraft getting so popular? (how to make a good MMO)

Am i out of touch or why do i feel like lvling in turtle is super fast. Warmode + perma rested xp through survival tent means 260% lvling speed compared to classic. I hit 20 in 9 hours and i wasnt rushing or speed lvling. Speed lvlrs could probably do it in 4

and Ultima on Line?

Simpel Vanilla is a good game retail is a bad game.

Vanilla plus is already out, it's called Turtle WoW 🐢

Great video and review. The only one I disagree with is ZG. Personally, I love that place.

when ai development comes online these types of project will skyrocket

Ascension leveling is booooring with everyone reaching max level in an afternoon the world is empty af when it comes to socializing by spending time doing stuff at the same time and getting to know each others that way. Ascension needs a Ironman Resolute realm if they want me back. With properly rare loot tables.

welll. vanilla specifically 1.12.1 was just different from a developers prospective completely. paladins have reckoning, there is many things unique about it. im really into 1.12.1 Funservers, i like to see what other people can do with that patch. in vanilla patch 1.12.1 you can stack talents and max your talent points. only on private servers.

With Classic there is drama and tension between you and the enemies you fight. You only get that tension in raids and Mythic + content in Retail. a lvl 15 Player in Classic barrens has to think twice about pulling the Kolkar Stormer and Wrangler Duo standing next to each other. Whereas in Retail you can pull that Duo, another Duo, a Third Duo, a rarespawn and Herzul and his 2 cronies without breaking a sweat because all your skills are soooo over tuned and your aoe just melts everything. What you do in classic feels more rewarding as you grow in level. And it is so justifying getting to go back to that same duo you had to worry about and just smashing them when you are 5+ levels from them. You remember running for your life when you agroed them when it was too much but now get the sweet revenge of stomping them out when you come back more powerful and experienced.

Heh, I was gonna say you left out EverQuest, the first 3D MMORPG, but that entire game is nothing but grind. Ultima Online was the first MMORPG but it wasn't 3D.

Good video. I don't think you touched on one of the issues that has come up, specifically in the past 10 years or so, which is where people are obsessed with getting from point a to point b as fast as possible. Turtle wow in particular I am loving because of the journey I am undertaking in hardcore mode. So far I have soloed all the way to level 40 and I'm looking forward to the last 20 levels even though I know it's going to be hard and time consuming.

There were people in the chat talking about how they ran around in a Zerg on hardcore mode to get to max level and I actually feel a little bad for those people because they missed out on the actual experience and in my opinion the importance of playing the hardcore mode as it was meant to be played a sort of hanging on to your seat kind of adventure game. Where every little victory feels that much sweeter and earned .The whole argument of it's not the destination. It's the journey.

As a long time RuneScape player and former WOW player and most of the players in my cc talk about wow and will occasionally go back and play one thing that hasnt been spoke on by many is the secret hub between those games you can see it even nore now with hardcore ironman which boaty started in RuneScape the devs adopted it in game and its now how at keast 60% of the playerbase plays the game

RS carved a market niche because it offered a free game despite the costs to run servers. This subsidy was the key to their success, as similar models have launched with literally no success. RS has proven that nostalgia sells, the same as classic models. The plus model is definitely good, but vanilla wow leveling was similar to RS in that it was so slow paced it was almost akin to turn-based combat, like in a text-based game, pokemon, or FF early games. It played out almost like a faster paced DnD in that each strike was the result of a "roll" etc. It seems that the new plus models seek to modernize this point and make the games more action-combat, as we saw with the AION to TERA model in eastern games and hybridization models like GW1 to GW2 changing the pure tab target model into a soft lock action combat system. It's clearly not as simple as "people want to have more agency or at least the appearance of it, in the form of higher required APM," but rather, people want to OPTION to be more active. All my friends loved questing through the barrens and such when vanilla and eventually classic re-dropped, it's just that the second time around, they had more IRL obligations, and the slow-paced early combat was just as enjoyable, it's simply that they couldn't justify the longer sessions. They still loved it, despite being because of the gameplay model or from pure nostalgia. Charging micro sub fees will help for a game release, private server or not, and making all the cosmetics feats of strengths and not cash-shop seems the right thing to do, as evidenced by the success of GW1 and early WOW. Creating a more sandbox game model in an engine that has modularity and immutability for the unforeseeable future seems to be the most important, as it will give you the agency to develop and incorporate interoperability with new parts of the game and others. The problem with these wow servers fragmenting into further "shards" (not actual shards of servers but conceptually, as these are different projects with different teams and for all intents and purposes even different IPs, though the US Supreme Court would beg to differ) is that it splits the community and you lose the benefit of the network effect. If there was a better way to phase people, create an open world where people interact (but it cant be 100% as this GUARANTEES you have a hardware burden in the form of unsalable servers that must host the un-instanced overworld and one that likely will have to be increased with population and game complexity, creating a capital REQUIREMENT over time, ie; a subscription model) but put a pseudo-limit to the concurrent interactions (think GW1 overworld being instanced, GW2 mission instances, wow dungeons, EVE "Grid" skirmishes, etc), then that would surely be something people want to see. Unless a very clever hardware scaling solution comes to concurrently-phased models to render in the same area at once, this will ALWAYS be a design limitation, despite it being allegedly the #1 draw to these community-based RPGs, as you mentioned around 8:15.

I tend people think to hold on to the name Blizzard like it's an entity… But Blizzard does not exist anymore, the company that once was is now gone. Warcraft 2 was not made to make the most people happy, it was made for gamers. Activision makes games for consumers. There's the difference.