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I think the situation isn't so difficult to understand when viewed through the perspective of the game designers. It's only difficult to understand when viewed through the perspective of opportunistic exploitation of game mechanics.
In short, the game designers… *designed* the game to accomplish an objective, which I believe you correctly stated as a fast-track to leveling characters and alts in preparation for the next expansion: The War Within.
With this in mind, a 95-day long event should be able to hold a player's attention for most, if not all, of the 95-days. So, if people are exploiting game mechanics to acquire threads faster than was planned or anticipated, then 'nerfing' the progress behind time-gated constraints is consistent with the game designers intention. And those who don't like to be time gated are merely revealing that they care nothing about design and intention: they just want what they want, when they want it, and designs and intentions be d*mned.
And that mindset is contrary to the genre of the game overall. Remember, MMO and RPG mean something. What they don't mean is 'play this massively multiplayer game as if no other players matter; just do what you want, when you want, how you want, and to h3ll with design, intention, and other players.
It's hard to offer a compelling rationalization for such a mindset, yet here we are nearly two decades later, with a game culture/mindset that wants to excuse it's disregard of the genre in favor of exploitation.
It's pretty simple, really: as an MMO, play nicely with others… consider how cooperating can get everyone what they're after, and by helping one another, can actually foster the MMO elements of the game as designed… as intended. What a concept: bringing some measure of community into a game that's built around the idea of community.~
Slam? more like a light tap on the shoulder
lets.. not forget, that 40k 'catchup' bronze is Nothing compared to the 40k an hour frog farmers made. said farmers have 544 gear. that gear costs at Least 600k bronze, so they're still months ahead of everybody else, in a game mode only 3 months long.
Cry moar, play the game mode or don't.
you got a L take
I only farmed frogs for like 30 minutes, my cloak wasn't anywhere near 2.5k or 25k stam and i didn't get the quest. Buff my cloak to what it was nerfed to or give me the quest imo. The small froggers like me got screwed on both ends.
Wooow, such a punishment for the frog farmers, stats reset back to 2500 each, I currently only have 3 (almost 4) stats on my cloak that are over 2500 as a non frog farmer.
The Kun Lai farm had to get nurfed as those mobs were quest mobs and alot of people could not do quest due to farmers having whole area on lockdown, same with Dalaran sewers.
I leveld a charicter to 70 in about 6 hours of casual play and ended up with 90k bronze for leveling and saves the blues i wanted to upgrade them to 346 for a couple thousand bronze. Leveling alts is pretty great now
Meh it was an exploit. At this point if anyone thinks that Bliz can't look back in log files and see exactly what you have been doing you are either completely stupid or very delusional. The hyper-spawns were put in because they didn't want to bottleneck leveling and questing as these were quest mobs. Now if they were smart they would have made an internal doc like a change log file and just note every hyper-spawn they put in in case at some point they need to either adjust the loot table or remove the increased spawn rate. They didn't do this so yeah they screwed the pooch but people really shouldn't have taken advantage of it. Honestly its probably for the best. Im not really worried about getting top of the line gear in remix. Its for leveling alts so I'll level the couple of classes I dont already have a 70 and wait for TWW where every piece of gear will be obsolete within 20 min of starting play.
I am a few days in with many leveled alts. It is super fast. It is still a "level many alts before the xpac event". 1 day in, one 70. Can you see why it is slowed down? We have like 3 months left. I will have leveled all my alt and will have gotten everything this event has to offer way before then. People always point fingers away from themselves. If you know something is an exploit and you exploit it, you will get punished. It isn't some hidden and subtle rule. It is a hard rule, it has been written and included in every ToS and in every part of life as well. If you exploit things IRL society will punish you. Level to 25, do LFR, get a 70 in no time. Get 40-50K bronze in no time. NO TIME AT ALL. But people still have to go out there way to farm hyper spawns and them blame Blizzard. LLMMAAOO. Grow up. Get a spine. Get some accountability.
I have been busy playing withering waves, I feel like after I get back to remix almost no reason to do so with all these nerfs and make hate carding since it will be boring farming with no actually progressing wasting time for whole week for useless amount….
the farmers 'no lifers' messed up the remix. Because some don't have a lot of time to play, at 70, many people don't have any chances for joining heroic or at least normal raids because of the 'a…' who want only 'froggers'.Blizz should punish the ones who ruined this. (it's easy for the devs to spot them in the logs)
theyr cape is not being nerfed…. saw druid few hours ago with 115k stamina ot the cape… he two shotted Nalak….50k compensation is nothing … frogers got 556ilvl by now ( thats not 50k bronze thats for sure….)
The event is not mint to be mid max and there is actually zero reason to even go for gearing up in the event the community and blizzard are both at fault here yes blizzard should have nerf it before it drop yes the price to upgrade is insane but has anyone actually set and look the mode is to get MOGs toys and mounts there is very I mean veryyyy little need to do herico raids and honestly not much of a point of doing soo on mythic it's a 90 day event u make 20k coins a day by just doing lfr and lfg you have enough time to grab everything u want before it ends you mid maxxers are the problem you choose to burn through the content and choose to gatekeep the rest of the community from normal raids so this is what happens and yes the frog are 100% a expilt when you talk about remix because they drop items that lv the borrow power cloak and they hyper spawn blizzard probably was hoping they would have been more for rep farming instead of cheating the system but at the end of day cheating is no always the answer and gatekeeping those that did not cheat is why it got fixed in the first place and why it was even a problem
Blizz honestly made it worse. Now the only people getting invited to heroic+ raids are the frog farmers because they are the only ones geared enough, and now the non farmers habe no way to catch up fast
I don't understand how Blizzard was surprised by the frog farm. Don't they play their own game?
I would agree, but wow players gonna wow players. You saw so many groups basically only letting froggies in. I'm cool with the nerf.
Just make the intended game loop be as rewarding as the frog farm, it's just that easy, but they want to artificially make the time gated event slower so people is not done with it in a week.
The frog farmers have to be nerfed. They one shot bosses. Going into a scenario or dungeon and finishing in 3-4 minutes is stupid. Remix has been fun, zero pressure, free stuff. People need to stop crying about every new thing Blizzard does. At least they are trying new stuff and refining it to make it better. If you hate it so much, play another game that makes you happy.
I didn't frog farm and I only get 30k on each new 70
Hilarious. Absolutely hilarious
They had to nerf the frog farmers because a ridiculous amount of players were crying that somebody was stronger than them, as if it mattered, and beoching about not getting invited to "endgame" content, as if Remix has any. If you simply don't group up with other players, their power means nothing. I solo all the instances without ever farming anything. This mode isn't that hard or competitive.
L take as usual
They worked harder on this limited event than there pass 3 xpacs 😢
People are addicted to loot and this is how blizz intends to keep people paying until the next xpac, they do this all the time at the end of xpacs to keep their money rolling in. And if it's happening to fast they slow it down, it's not brain surgery.
BLIZZ has always just given you enough fun factor to keep you around and keep them full
you ask why blizzard is doing this, and its actually quite simple. the community is the reason. no i dont mean people crying about not being as strong. I mean the mid maxers. within the first 4 days, i remember seeing so many groups only taking peopel for raids if they frog farmed. you could be lvl 70 and upgraded some gear, but if you did not have 32049k health (or whatever number it would be for obvious frog farmers) then you were not allowed to raid. at 70 there isnt much reason to NOT get invited to a raid, unless your class spot was already taken. but with the over powered characters common people couldnt join a raid, and if you made your own raid, people would enter and say "what , no one shot characters?" and bail out. and this isnt just one person bailing out. its hours worth of people dropping out.
I say good job Blizzard. the nerf was needed
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Cloak Xp resorting to 100% each new toon is annoying AF
got all the mounts, leveled classes that i don't have already and im done with this shitshow. like plunderstorm, im not going to play anymore. you take what blizzard offers and go back to retail/classic you name it. blizzard doesn't know how to make events.
Completely agree with u.
Seems like they are just hyper focused on mitigating progress in this mode for seemingly no reason. Just let us have fun…even if that means letting us kill the same thing a million times. I mean, we’re still playing their game, so what’s the problem?
Poor players whos gonna stand up for the western world!
i'm also SUPER confused about the fun policing going on with remix… they literally advertised it as being overpowered. such a huge fumble.
I think the problem is that who haven't time to farm will get tooo behind those who farmed, and on raids they will let only who frog farmed join because of the damage.
They probably realized how much $ it will take away from character boosting
Adding a 40k bonus to new 70s instantly created an alt leveling meta. It’s 2 weeks into the event and thanks to the bonus I was able to buy every mount and class armor/weapon set. In another week, I’ll have everything else.