Karma’s Rework: The FIRST Visual Gameplay Update | League of Legends

I desperately tried contacting you before this video, to prevent you from making these mistakes. Overal, it's been a great video, as always, but since Karma is my area of expertise, I spotted a few unfortunate missunderstandings (brace yourself):

4:24 – Old Karma did NOT damage the enemies she tethered to, only those who tripped over it.
7:28 – W allowed you to attach to enemies and stay in range of your Q-RE-Q burst. W in general was an important tool to place your shortranged abilities in more optimal positions.
8:25 – A specialist isn't always "better". There is power (and fun) in flexibility. Riot eventually realized as much and is currently making more of them, which is frustrating to see after kneecapping Karma's solo capabilities on so many occasions.

10:00 – "She used to be the only enchanter with no hard CC in her kit". And wouldn't it have been interesting to see them build on that concept, rather than watering her down to do what others already do (better)?
11:05 – Respectfully, I think you are praising mantra W too much. The root only exceeds Morgana's Q after maxing both W and R, but most games end before that. It is also VERY delayed (~0.5s casting, 2.0s tether). The heal is incredibly problematic, since it scales with effective HP. This opens the door to her tank cheese, while making it scale poorly with mage stats. It is very selfish for a support, and for mages can be understood as a lost trade, by giving up your important RQ damage for a self-heal. It's not a well designed ability.
11:32 – Mantra offered more interesting decision making in the past and is currently too dependent on your *build*, rather than the current situation.

13:25 – People simultaneously complained her mantra was too weak, but needed to be kept in check. That was the point. If you mindlessly used it, it was underwhelming. Her kit forced you to constantly be on the watch for and create scenarios in which you could maximize both the offensive and defensive capabilities of your spells. At 5:28 you can see Karma flash in and use RE on herself, instead of saving Ahri with it. That was a clear misplay.
13:35 – Incorrect. The issue with duality mantras (namely RE – shieldbomb) is her PASSIVE, not her base abilities. RiotNeuroCat confirmed that. It is entirely feasible to give her another passive, change mantra CD and re-introduce duality mantras, without touching Q, W & E.

14:15 – "First times." often suck, and Karma wasn't made under the best of circumstances. No dedicated teams, no experience, leaks, a rushed release, etc. So, two things can be true at the same time: 1) Reworks are an essential and positive force for LoL's game health. 2) Karma's rework sucked.
14:25 – With all due respect, but I don't think Riot succeeded in retaining Karma's core experience. However, duality WAS preserved in her rework, and didn't get thrown out the window for another 2 years. This was also when they removed Karma's signature spell (shieldbomb), which she had for 5 years by then.

Be assured that I have a huge amount of respect for your work, which is why I wanted to help out. This video is impressive, since I know that you can't have experienced half of these things first hand, so why I wanted to give you a helping hand, offer my insights as a Karma enthusiast for 9 years. It's a shame we couldn't clear up these few issues before the release of this video. The Karma community already suffers from a lot of misunderstandings regarding her past and current kit.

Rework sucked, she got a little more playable but lost all identity and became the most boring champion in the game.

still miss the old karma!!

I mained old!Karma and I absolutely despise her rework. Mechanically it felt bland, uninteresting, and contradictory to me, which never got better no matter how many times I tried playing her. Yet even above that, I detest the way they altered her character. She went from Ionia's ambassador, a renowned and elegant peacemaker who defused political situations with her quick wit and negotiating skills, to a martyred warlord who brought the Good News of combat to a bunch of foolish pacifistic people. Even now, years after the rework was made, thinking about it makes me angry.

I actually feel that karmas rework was and still is a big fat failure. She NEEDS another rework, cause right now, she is just a sona without aoe stun

I know its kind of late to be saying this, but having a single minded focus on her being an enchanter is just fully the wrong idea. Karma was an AP bruiser who could do some extra team supoorting on the side. She could hit hard and survive to cycle her abilities, allowing her to be in that position. Honestly, she should have been a concideration for the AP bruiser video you made given just how effective she was building that way.

look at pre rework karma , pre rework akali , shen , syndra mmmmm 🤔

sb in riot must be a mortal kombat fan 😎

I'm forever sad that I just barely missed out on v1 of Karma.

Old Karma was so unique and rewarding to play, while the new one is just a generic mage-support. I usually like the reworks, but Karma's was an utter failure.

I wish they would bring old Karma back

I always expected them to rerework Karma. If they did some day, this might even bring me back to playing LoL more regularly. I feel like the old Karma would perfectly fit into modern LoL with just some little adjustments while the new Karma just plays like 30 other Champs and is pretty boring to play or watch in my opinion

Riot boss Karma's working like an enchanter that has a similar trade combo power so we keep having to nerf her into being unusable what can we do.

Employee: why not give her a double stun and an ally shield

Riot boss good good what else

Employee and her q does the same damage as a burst mages trade combo

Boss: perfect

if wild rift is anything to go by their maybe a relatively minor rework coming

Been loving this series so far. I'm so excited for the Taric one! 😀