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– Labeling Balatro as an 18+ game for gambling but loot box infested EA Sports games as 3+ is an absolute farce.
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I think important distinction is that you don't bet real money in game, not even indirectly unless you agree with someone out of the game to use real money for some strange reason. Aside if game's asking price there is no spending of real money officially. Now, as far rating board giving it 18+ goes, I could argue that if young people play the game it may prime them to gamble with real money later on by forming habits but I don't think there is much credible evidence via studies etc this is how it works.
Hey, pokemon gen 1 is 18+ now too so rating Belatro 18+ too is at least consistent.
Edit: nvm, gen 1 is 12 not 18. Im dumb^^;
Don't get me wrong the game IS addicting but in a very different and safer way.
So it’s kinda of a card SIMILAR to poker but has a deck builder aspects.
But……. children don't know this. Adults are boring. They don't bite the lootbox gambling, kids do. How do you want them to make money?!
Of course it is 18+ if it game currency…. can't fool the vulnerable players that way!? How dare you. (Writing this hurt my soul)
I have absolutely nothing to comment because everything I thought, Yongyea as always says it perfectly but I just wanted to vent frustration! ; ;
i feel like EA paid millions to get the 3+
Mario Odyssey has literal slot machines and isn’t 18+
I just checked and the Switch has a game called Poker Club and it's rated Teen for simulated gambling. And it has in-game purchases. So… Why?
So from this logic, Luck Be A Landlord is al so promotes gambling. What a joke.
Let's start placing real life money bets and antes into Settlers of Catan, turning board gaming into a gambling game. Then the PEGI would have to rate monopoly as PEGI 18 for teaching children how to play games betting and gambling.
NGL when you talked about licking lollipops, I was worried the metaphor was going in another direction 😅
Can't wait to gamble with the flush 5 hand I learnt in Balatro as the beat hand to play with my steel cards held in hand within my 9 card hand…
See? This is why people ignore the PEGI System
I feel like the issue is that it uses the french deck and poker hands. Despite it having nothing to do with poker.
If they change the design of the cards the game would instantly lose the [gambling] label and kick it down to a 7 or 12 rating.
The poker hands themselves are completely disconnected. Yatzhee uses basically the same combinations (straights, full house, pairs/thirds/etc)
And yes, it's the gambling label that gives it the 18 rating. Why the football packs aren't considered gambling is baffling.
And yes, any chance-based microtransaction that involves real money should be treated as gambling.
– So loot boxes should be gambling. You spend real money for a chance for something.
– boxes/crates/booster packs/etc that use in-game currency that can only be gained by playing should not be gambling. Belatro falls into that. Most virtual TGCs fall into that.
– Direct microtransactions shouldn't be gambling either. If I want to spend money on a skin, and I can buy the skin directly, I buy the skin. I don't play a game of chance.
And the thing with Pokemon red/blue/yellow is, if they would be released today, they would get an 18 rating. But back in 1998 the rules were still different, there were no loot boxes, and the rating won't be changed retroactively.
Gacha games with gambling elements with real money = suprise mechanics for kids
Rogue-lite card game with zero real money gambling = GAMBLING PEGI 18
The weirdest thing about any of this is how they act like poker itself is some ultra damaging game which shouldn't be played by children. Who cares if children play poker or other competitive games. I loved playing a few rounds when I was a kid. It doesn't have anything to do with gambling, other than how one could bet on the outcome of any other competitive game, too. So why exactly do they think that a game resembling poker somehow makes it unsuitable for chidlren? It simply is no argument regardless of how similar or not it even is to being poker.
sorry, dude you can crucify me all you but this teaching kids do cheat in card games irl because due of Futurama Bender cheats in poker seeing from a X-Ray vision and there’s a poker games you having 5 or 7 cards per hand
5:31 Can confirm this. You don't know how many games of poker I won already, with 7 jokers, and my deck of 25 aces of spades
By this logic all games involving dice are 18+, because knowing how to throw dice and knowing what numbers are higher can be transferred to playing craps. 😂
I was wondering if the people rating the games were actually playing them… Guess I got my answer now: no they don't.
The biggest joke is, if you look up other games with "poker" directly in the title, you will see most are rated 12… but Balatro gets an 18 rating? Make it make sense
I see, so a game with NO microtransactions based on poker, literally all simulated thing no money involved IS considered a gambling game. . . . . .but garbage footbal games where building a whole team can cost thiusands of euros IS NOT gambling right? Garbage racing games with 1000 cars 700 of which are paid DLC and ingame currency needed for everything can be bought for real money yet again NOT considered gambling. . . . . .
I guess we know who pays PEGI's bills if you get what i mean 😂😂😂
The German mandatory games rating said 12 because of the gambling theme.
I am a school teacher. I would not worry about kids playing Balatro. However, I actively warn parents about ultimate team in Fifa. How loot boxes are not considered gambling is beyond me.
Ok but your allowed poker as a free to play game on stores steam psn Xbox and mobile that isn’t age rated like this yet they are actually gambling games unlike this
This is why I don’t trust anything anymore feels like corporate is upset with it’s success and so need to nerf its player counts
Pure holdem world poker is a pg game using real currencies on ps5
And same with Texas poker
And prominence poker all just on psn with a search for poker lol
Card game! Must be gambling!
PEGI got a big dose of money from someone who spites Balatro, that's for sure.
100% a hit on the game by the publishers running the rating board.
"I'd go as far as to say egregious… egregious like todays sponsor Raid Shadow Legends…"